I am far from an expert and I figured it out. I started from scratch (there are no packages for me).<br><br clear="all">Josh Luthman<br>Office: 937-552-2340<br>Direct: 937-552-2343<br>1100 Wayne St<br>Suite 1337<br>Troy, OH 45373<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Bill Houle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bhoule@siliconexus.com">bhoule@siliconexus.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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SmokePing installation is a bear. But while I completely agree the
RPM approach certainly would have helped my own painful install, I
just don't get the tactic of saying "it was easier to do 2.4.2" and
then picking apart the old code.<br>
<br>
This is an open-source tool for _any_ platform, not just for LSB.
The caretakers probably have enough to do with source, they can't
also maintain installable packages for all platform types. That
takes the community. Barring that, any streamlining from the
developer side such as Makemaker, autoconf, or Configure is much
appreciated.<br>
<br>
Reliance on RPM alone has pitfalls. I was surprised to find that the
"current" Apache RPM is by no means current. And this is for a
ubiquitous tool! RPM may be "easy", but its not always the holy
grail answer.<br><font color="#888888">
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--bill</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 10/5/2011 3:05 AM, Jenny Lee wrote:
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> > Now the problems:<br>
> ><br>
> > a. What is the fix for this issue? I don't believe
everyone is<br>
> > using it like that. The purpose of graphing... is so
that we do<br>
> > not need to read the fine print. When I looked at that
graph, I<br>
> > was to have a heart attack. How can I show something
like this to<br>
> > my boss? I use cacti as well and I don't have this
problem.<br>
> > Nothing is clear from these graphs beyond a day.<br>
> <br>
> you should, because loss is BAD, it should not happen,
hence the<br>
> choice of consolidation function ...<br>
<br>
So there is not a single functional host out of the 30-40 listed
on the demo site? Because all of them are FULL BLUE in 400
days graphs.<br>
<br>
Just because there is 1% loss in 1 out of the 144 probes run
does not mean that entire day should be marked as having packet
loss.<br>
<br>
There is some flaw here and those graphs surely would look bad
to anyone who looks at them. But just 400 packets out of the 6
Million or so were dropped in fact. <br>
<br>
Is there any way I can fix those by taking aggregates or
averages or something else?<br>
<br>
<br>
> > b. The UI needs serious improvements. 70% of my screen
is empty.<br>
> > Why not to plug in 4 graphs there?<br>
> <br>
> I am planning on moving smokeping to extopus, see
<a href="http://www.extopus.org" target="_blank">www.extopus.org</a><br>
> if you are in a position to provide resources for this
project, let<br>
> me know ...<br>
<br>
It has potential. Unfortunately, I am just a worker.<br>
<br>
<br>
> > c. What is Speedy CGI? I had hard time trying to find
it let<br>
> > alone being able to install it?<br>
> <br>
> smokeping 2.6.x does not need speedycgi anymore ... it uses<br>
> fastcgi ... where did you see the speedycgi requirement ?<br>
<br>
SpeedyCGI requirement was still there in 2011 even though last
version of that software was abandoned 9 years ago! It is still
coming with the Fedora SmokePing RPM released in 2011.<br>
<br>
<br>
> > e. I had to install 42 rpms to get this working! I had
to take 3<br>
> > srpms from Fedora and recompile them on Redhat 6. Take
Fedora<br>
> > SmokePing RPM, recompile on Redhat. Yet, I still have
version<br>
> > 2.4.2. I spent 2 days. This doesn't have to be so
painful!<br>
> <br>
> you should not be using an old version ... bad for the
karma ...<br>
> 2.6.x has autoconf support ...<br>
<br>
Tobi, very few people run software with autoconf any more. I did
run it. And it installed about 200 dependencies (thankfully to
/opt/smokebin). I just needed Config::Grammar! <br>
<br>
I had to edit one file. I had to edit another. I had to modify
some more. I had to change permissions... Then I had to write an
initscript to start it... That is why we have RPM to take care
of these stuff for us. It quickly got tiring so I powered off
the non-persistent VM and installed 2.4.2 from Fedora RPMs.<br>
<br>
RPM approach is something that should be considered for
widespread adoptation of sofware.<br>
<br>
Jenny <br>
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