[mrtg] Re: Monitor multiple IPs on one physical eth card?

Tue Oct 16 16:08:25 MEST 2001

Paul-

I have appologized to the list, and I will happily to do so again. I
should not have behaved in the way I did. I was just very frustrated to 
see such an insulting response to my first posting on what I expected
would be and helpful list. I am sorry for my language. 

I am also sorry that I did not word my posting very well. I was simply
trying to figure out what the best way to seperatley monitor traffic on
two IPs that are on the same Ethernet card. I am not a networking expert,
and I do no claim to be. However, I am far from ignorant, as well.

But that is beside the point. Even if I WAS ignorant, you guys really
ought to consider being a little gentler with the people that don't yet
know what they are doing. How do you expect MRTG to grow and such without
a postive atmosphere from its user base?

I'd like to thank Trent Melcher for deciphering my poorly written email
and providing me with a very complete answer. I did thank Alex for his
help, as he WAS quite helpful in his original post. It was the subsequent
"find another list" comment that got me going.

If I should "find another list" because I'm not an expert, then maybe you,
or someone here, can direct me to the list for morons? I didn't see it
listed on the MRTG homepage.

Once again, I am sorry for my language.

Thanks for understanding,

Jeff Croft
Industry Standard Design Lab, LLC

On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Paul C. Williamson wrote:

> Ok you two, break it up.
> 
> Alex was completely within bounds.  He was making a guess that you were a relative newbie because you asked about monitoring two interfaces on one card.  That's like asking if it's possible to drive a car while inside an automobile.  They are one in the same.  You may have been thinking of something else, but what you said didn't make any technical sense.  He didn't suggest you were an imbecile.  He gave a few silly examples and then got right into how MRTG works.  I have never seen a post from you helping anyone else out, yet Alex's reputation in this regard is untarnished.  He p-mailed you.  It seems you are the one who responded to the list with a deliberate act of trying to dress Alex down in front of a list of users that expect clean language and adult behavior.  He didn't copy the list because it was inappropriate to do so.  He took it offline as one of the list admins.  You copied the list because you thought it would be appropriate.  It wasn't.  Like Alex said, if !
you have a problem with a user, come to him, me, or Tobi.  In this case, you had a problem with him.  So come to me or Tobi.   Please do not post another display of behavior and language like that again.  
> 
> While you may think that you don't owe Alex an apology, I do.  At this point, that does not matter.  What I will ask is that you send an apology to the list for the language posted there.  If that does not happen within a day or so, I will take further action.
> 
> After reading the initial post by you, I still can't figure out how you expected us to know that you know anything at all about networking, much less you have been using linux for the last 5 years.  
> 
> Don't leave the list because of this unless you refuse to issue an apology to the list.
> 
> Paul
> 
> >>> "Jeffrey A. Croft" <jcroft at isdlab.com> 10/15/01 08:38PM >>>
> 
> Did I mention being offended? Because I wasn't.
> 
> I've been running MTRG for over two years. I've been admining linux servers
> for five years. I don't claim to be an expert but to suggest I am an
> imbecile is pretty lame of you. I do, now, take offense to your insults. I
> had a simple question and you were too much of an ass to help someone out
> without trying to impress the list with your wit at the same time.
> 
> And then you have the nerve to act noble and provide a half-assed, pussy
> apology which you DON'T feel the need to copy to the list? Wow, you're a big
> man.
> 
> Fuck you, Alex.
> 
> Oh, and thanks for all your help.
> 
> No regards, no cheers.  Not even a sig.  And a copy to the list, ass.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex van den Bogaerdt [mailto:alex at slot.hollandcasino.nl] 
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:32 PM
> To: Jeffrey A. Croft
> Subject: Re: [mrtg] Monitor multiple IPs on one physical eth card?
> 
> 
> Jeffrey A. Croft wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the information.
> >
> > Do I take your last statement ("I suggest that you use another mailing
> list
> > or newsgroup if you need more information.") to mean that I am not welcome
> > here? That I am somehow not good enough for you?
> 
> No need to feel offended.  This is a list where MRTG users share
> information.
> 
> You need to have several items ready *before* you can start thinking
> about running MRTG.  I'll give a list that may not be complete however
> it does contain a few (silly) examples you should not discuss *here*:
> 
> - you need a computer w/ accessories
> - you need an operating system
> - you need power to operate your computer
> - you need knowledge to operate your computer
> 
> These are clearly not to be discussed here.
> 
> In the same catagory however less obvious is the data you want to
> graph.  You provide the data, MRTG plots it.  The list members can
> usually help you with this however there are other sources of
> information that are more suitable to help you.  If you need information
> about redhat linux you may be better of going to a redhat linux
> specific mailing list or so.  That is what I said.
> 
> > That I am somehow not good enough for you?
> > I'll gladly leave, if this is the case.
> 
> I know I can have an attitude every now and then but I am not
> too proud to let you know that you win it from me.
> Please stay on the list, I'll just edit my procmailrc file.
> 
> Next time you have a problem with a list member, just write
> to the list admins and not to the list.  I dare to suggest
> something again: don't write your complaint to me.  Just write
> it to Paul or to Tobi.
> 
> no regards, no cheers.  Not even a sig.  And no copy to the list.
> 
> 
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