# [rrd-users] newbie rrd question - probably a very old issue

Dan Gahlinger dgahling at hotmail.com
Sat Sep 1 19:23:39 CEST 2007

```that's not exactly what I want.

to be honest, I'd be happy if rrd did one simple thing (or two depending on

I'd recommend the "min" and "max" of the average function be done a bit
differently.
for an average graph, the "maximum" (shown at the bottom) should always be
kept,
and the "minimum" should always be kept

also the points for those on the graph should always be kept, even if it
means the verticals in the graph are stretched a bit.

the graph doesnt have to show ever portion of the scale either. by this I
mean
if there are no values between 10 and 40, you dont need to show the portions
from 11-39 essentially
as long as the maximum, minimum and average are represented properly

it should be simple enough to keep track of the minimum and maximum over
time.
my logic:
if you have a spike of 100 one day and that is you maximum, then a week or a
month or a year later, if that is still your maximum, then it is always your
maximum, and the spike should be shown
today it should be the max, tomorrow it should be the max, and until a
higher value occurs, it should always be the max, same with minimum, if we
got a zero, that will always be the minimum. and the overall average should
be the average between those two values.

otherwise the data is incorrect and quickly becomes meaningless.
yesterday it spiked to 90, but today it shows the max is only 30, so did it
spike? not according to the graph it didnt.

and I still dont understand why the command line (rrdfetch) is
consolidating, it has no graphing limitations

I don't know a better way to do it.
Dan.
>From: Jason Fesler <jfesler at gigo.com>
>To: Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com>
>CC: tobi at oetiker.ch, rrd-users at lists.oetiker.ch
>Subject: Re: [rrd-users] newbie rrd question - probably a very old issue
>Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:09:32 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Based on a side conversation with Dan, this is what I'm understanding:
>
>RRD will graph exactly one consolidated point in time, if there are more
>points than pixels on the X axis.  Dan wants *all* value points
>represented, not consolidated.  RRD has no option to do that.
>
>I'm thinking that *maybe* it can be faked, with some stacked graphs or
>something, *if* MIN and MAX were also included in the rrd file; do a fill
>between min and max.
>
>But it isn't going to happen with a single graph statement, and I'm having
>problems figuring out how to sanely show min/average/max if desired. :-)
>

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