[rrd-users] Absolute values..
Alex van den Bogaerdt
alex at vandenbogaerdt.nl
Mon Nov 17 23:01:18 CET 2008
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From: "Gavin Landon" <Gavin.Landon at ignitetech.com>
To: <rrd-users at lists.oetiker.ch>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [rrd-users] Absolute values..
> Ok, maybe that's why some of the numbers are off..
> Here is one that is the simplest I can make it and let me know, if this
> is the "Normalization" part that I'm just not understanding at the
> There is never a number larger than "1" put in and most of them are "0".
> However the graft goes up to 1, but seems to taper before and after
> (only in some parts) as if there are decimals less than 1 in the data.
You are updating at "non-border" timestamps.
Example numbers and times:
previously the rate was 0
hh:mm:30 You are telling RRDtool the rate was 0 between this update and
hh:mm+1:30 You are telling RRDtool the rate was 1 between this update and
hh:mm+2:30 You are telling RRDtool the rate was 1 between this update and
hh:mm+3:30 You are telling RRDtool the rate was 0 between this update and
hh:mm+4:30 You are telling RRDtool the rate was 0 between this update and
Several slots need to be filled:
a) upto hh:mm:00, which is the slot timestamped hh:mm:00
b) hh:mm:00 .. hh:mm+1:00, which is the slot timestamped hh:mm+1:00
c) hh:mm+1:00 .. hh:mm+2:00, and so on
d) hh:mm+2:00 .. hh:mm+3:00, end time is used
e) hh:mm+3:00 .. hh:mm+4:00, slot timestamped hh:mm+4:00
Simple cases for a, c and e: the rate is constant during the entire slot.
More complex are b and d, the rate is not constant during the interval.
I've chosen the update timestamps at exactly halfway a time slot, which
makes calculations a bit more easy to follow.
In interval b, the rate starts as 0 but is changed to 1 halfway the
interval. Remember: numbers are "x per second". There are 30 seconds in
this slot at rate 0 (30 times 0 per second) and 30 seconds at rate 1 (30
times 1 per second). The total for this slot is thus: (30 times 0 + 30 times
1) during 60 seconds. This means *on*average* you had 0.5 per second.
In interval d the same outcome exists, only now the first half is at rate 1.
Still, (30*1+30*0)/60 is also 0.5 per second.
The resulting rates:
This is what will be visible in the graph, you were wondering where the 0.5
would come from.
Now compute a total amount per time slot:
a) 0.0 times 60 = 0
b) 0.5 times 60 = 30
c) 1.0 times 60 = 60
d) 0.5 times 60 = 30
e) 0.0 times 60 = 0
Let's see if that's correct...
if T = hh:mm:00, then:
you update at T+30 with rate 0. Before this, the rate was also 0 (a given).
you update at T+90 with rate 1. Between T+30 and T+90 the rate was 1.
you update at T+150 with rate 1. Between T+90 and T+150 the rate was 1.
you update at T+210 with rate 0. Between T+150 and T+210 the rate was 0.
And it stays 0.
Thus: the rate was 1 per second during (150-30=)120 seconds. That's a total
of 120. And indeed: 30+60+30 equals 120.
This is the moment where you are going to say that you are dealing with
integer numbers and cannot have half a connection, half a person, and so on.
Simple example: say that a website has only 24 visitors a day. That is, on
average, 1 visitor per hour. But what if the website has only 12 visitors a
day? Yes, that is on average 0.5 visitor per hour, despite that visitors
are either present or not and you will never encounter half a visit.
If you do not want to see fractions, you need to forget about averages. Use
max, or min. The rates from a couple of tables ago would be:
The resulting rates if using min:
a) 0.0 -> 0.0
b) 0.5 -> 0.0
c) 1.0 -> 1.0
d) 0.5 -> 0.0
e) 0.0 -> 0.0
The resulting rates if using max:
a) 0.0 -> 0.0
b) 0.5 -> 1.0
c) 1.0 -> 1.0
d) 0.5 -> 1.0
e) 0.0 -> 0.0
When doing this you may surprise yourself again once you look at the RRAs
which store more time per entry. Effectively you are monitoring "did I see
an update during this interval" (if using max) or "has there been a minute
without an update during this interval" (if using min). The resulting rate
will be biased to 1 (for max) or 0 (for min).
Once you really understand what you are doing, you will modify your setup so
that you store "x per second" instead of "x" (which you seem to be trying
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